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In honor of the back-to-work season, let's send some positive thoughts toward the New York mass transit system.
You may not remember the days when the subways sucked, but there was a long, dark, dreary period back in the 1970s and '80s when nothing was reliable. Would a train come? If it did, would it make it all the way to your destination without a breakdown? While you were waiting in the station, would that homeless guy who had set up camp on the platform start hassling you for money?
Now, things are better. Perhaps not great, but almost every part of the system is functional. Ditto for the bus service, and the commuter railroads. If you use any of them, you could offer a list of needed improvements. (Why can't the LIRR do something about the overcrowding?) But every day, the regional mass transit system moves masses of people to and from work with a minimum of disruption. It's the beating heart of our economy.
Enter the suburban governments, which are trying to destroy it.
They won't put it that way. Judging from their press releases, they would say that they're battling against a "job-killing tax." This comes up so often I'm wondering if Republicans tattoo "job-killing tax" on the back of their offsprings' necks.
Here's the story: In 2009, the economic downturn had sent the Metropolitan Transportation Authority deep into the hole. To get it out, the legislature authorized a small payroll tax for the metropolitan region.
The levy was up to 34 cents for every $100 in payroll. By my calculation, if you have a million dollar payroll you owe the MTA $3,400. Although you wouldn't actually be paying it at all, since the law exempts businesses with payrolls under $1.25 million.
My point, however, is that if you have a business with a million dollar payroll, you can probably handle a $3,400 tax. But you can't handle a region in which the trains, buses and subways don't work.
With the support of his fellow suburban pols, Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano filed a lawsuit arguing that the legislature had no right to pass the tax without the approval of all the regional county governments, a concurrence that would happen shortly after hell freezes over.
In August, while we were all on vacation, a friendly Long Island judge ruled that Mangano was right. Cheers from the suburban governments, who apparently look forward to the MTA losing nearly 15 percent of its funding.
The MTA is appealing, and reasonable people seem to feel it should win over the long run.
"We believe the ruling is wrong, and we believe the ruling is going to be reversed," said Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
Let's hope so. It's depressing to think the suburban governments can't see the point of supporting a mass transit system that many of their own residents use to get to work, and which everybody depends on to support a local economy that provides the state with half its tax revenue.
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View AllFavorites Recency | Popularity hpcomment7180 Fans 5 hours ago (10:54 PM)The article states that businesses with payrolls under $1.25 million are exempt. That is not true for those who are self-employed. If you are self-employed with income over $10,000, you will pay this tax. So it is not just falling on multi-million dollar businesses, it is being paid by self-employed individuals on incomes over $10,000.hpcomment718: The article states that businesses with payrolls under $1.25 millionhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/hpcomment718/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184658782.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… cullenthebrave24 Fans 5 hours ago (10:43 PM)Don't forget that Cuomo dinged the over 250k crowd with keeping that 5% surtax on them after he said he wouldn't. Now more money from the business owners to pay fat government worker pensions? I live Upstate and our local billionaire recently moved to Florida so he could save a little money on state taxes-believe it or not he is now saving 14,000 dollars......A WEEK! Our Upstate population is pretty much getting out of Dodge, especially our young people. Why? Opportunity. Why no opportunity? taxes. My property taxes have tripled in the 15 years I have been in my home. I have a 9th grader. when he goes to college...goodbye New York. It's sad because it's my home. You guys just keep asking for the people who take risks and employ people to give just a little more..soon the only people left are the non profits, the welfare class, and the government workers. Then you are screwed.cullenthebrave: Don't forget that Cuomo dinged the over 250k crowd withhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cullenthebrave/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184655530.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it dpkjjPeace on Earth350 Fans 3 hours ago (12:29 AM)My husband has an MTA pension, and believe me, it is not fat. Also, while he worked he made considerably less salary than he would have in the private sector. Further, the MTA tax is not a property tax.dpkjj: My husband has an MTA pension, and believe me, ithttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dpkjj/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184691330.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments…This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… proudtexan220 Fans 7 hours ago ( 8:25 PM)Why not raise fairs and have the folks who utilize the system pay a larger percentage of what they are utilizing?proudtexan2: Why not raise fairs and have the folks who utilizehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/proudtexan2/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184616744.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it dpkjjPeace on Earth350 Fans 3 hours ago (12:27 AM)Because the people will not stand for that. They do not want to pay in taxes, fares, or in any other way for the services they get.You may not know that fare increases have to be approved by elected officials, so politics rears its head.dpkjj: Because the people will not stand for that. They dohttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dpkjj/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184690525.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.
Loading comments… HUFFPOST SUPER USERyo drewski193 Fans 2 hours ago ( 1:25 AM)Two things. One, this is the continuation of Ed Mangano's fight with MTA, which has already seen him contract out bus service in Nassau County to a private operator. Nassau was getting a higher subsidy for its bus service than any suburban New York county, but that wasn't enough. Two, Nassau County is locally known not only for its wealth, but for two brushes with bankruptcy in the last 20 years. The county is currently under state supervision. So, to review, the richest non-NYC county in New York State is known for corruption, was manipulating MTA for subsidies beyond what anyone else got, and the executive leading this campaign has now turned his attention to a funding mechanism. Removing that funding mechanism will fall more heavily on the suburbs than on NYC itself. Yes, Mangano is Republican.yo_drewski: Two things. One, this is the continuation of Ed Mangano'shttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/yo_drewski/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184704873.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments…This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… sobe123395 Fans 13 hours ago ( 2:36 PM)Two things, the MTA needs to do a complete review of internal operations. Back in the 2005 time period when there was the wildcat strike even the New York Times brought up issues like the agency having a marketing department of over 400 employees.Now that being said, the system needs to be kept in good repair with constant upgrades in systems and infrastructure (trains, buses). When a large business (with a payroll over $1 million) has employees stuck in a subway tunnel or on an LIRR train out near Rockville on a constant basis the loss in productivity and other areas (like a salesman that is late for a sales call or a dentist that misses paying patients) can easily mount up to over $3,400.sobe123: Two things, the MTA needs to do a complete reviewhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/sobe123/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184499175.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.
Loading comments… HUFFPOST SUPER USERJay DatermanDump The Teapot97 Fans 14 hours ago ( 2:01 PM)I live in the suburbs of Denver and find the people to be sickenly selfish. I expect all suburban areas are that way. As pointed out, the people living in burbs derive huge benefits from public transit and are all up with high paying jobs in the city and going to fancy places in the city to play big shot, but do not want to contribute a penny. Of course, this is be expected since many suburban people are teapubs.Jay_Daterman: I live in the suburbs of Denver and find thehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Jay_Daterman/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184486724.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it dpkjjPeace on Earth350 Fans 3 hours ago (12:24 AM)I know it is certainly true in NY (see my post below yours), and another commenter mentioned PA. "Sickeningly selfish" - you got it. They invented the concept of "entitlement."Ironically, in my area even the Dems, who are in a slight majority, will not support the MTA tax or any other tax to pay for mass transit.dpkjj: I know it is certainly true in NY (see myhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dpkjj/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184689856.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.
Loading comments…This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… bigjerold0 Fans 14 hours ago ( 1:57 PM)A tax increase washes over the real problems at the MTA, which are numerous. http://gothamist.com/2010/06/04/mta_salaries_like_239148_for_a_cond.phpbigjerold: A tax increase washes over the real problems at thehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/bigjerold/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184485252.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it HUFFPOST SUPER USERyo drewski193 Fans 4 hours ago (11:45 PM)But instead of discussing the issues, and their context(s), a handful of suburbanites have endeavored to screw over the entire region.yo_drewski: But instead of discussing the issues, and their context(s), ahttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/yo_drewski/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184676443.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation.
Loading comments…This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… dpkjjPeace on Earth350 Fans 14 hours ago ( 1:36 PM)You are so right, and it amazes me that there are no comments (yet) about one of the most important issues in our NY region. I live in the 'burbs now, and talk about "entitlement." These folks, whose disposable income is about double the national average, want to ride the commuter railroads and the subway system into their high-paid jobs. They eat in NYC restaurants, which are monitored by the NYC Dept. of Health. During the time they are in the City for work or pleasure, they are covered with fire, police and EMS protection. The buildings they work, shop or eat in are regulated by the NYC Buildings and Fire Departments. And so forth and so on.Plus, their property would not be worth anywhere near as much if not for the proximity to NYC.
BUT they do not want to pay one penny towards any of it. Not in taxes, not in fees, not in fares, no way Jose. Even the best of our elected officials have come out against the MTA tax. What's to be done?dpkjj: You are so right, and it amazes me that therehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dpkjj/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184478113.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it cullenthebrave24 Fans 5 hours ago (10:50 PM)I say tax the hell out of the end users, but please also respect my demand that the replacement of the Tappanzee be paid for by those who use it. As it stands now, the thruway authority is trying to raise the tolls all over the state to pay for it. I live in Rochester, and anti-upstate moor ons like Sheldon Silver think that we should all pay for that bridge I go over once every 5 years by increasing the toll from Rochester to Buffalo.cullenthebrave: I say tax the hell out of the end users,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/cullenthebrave/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184657758.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share it
dpkjjPeace on Earth350 Fans 3 hours ago (12:48 AM)Sorry, Cullen, but I know nothing about the Thruway/Tappan Zee issue. I can just encourage you to keep fighting for what you think is right.dpkjj: Sorry, Cullen, but I know nothing about the Thruway/Tappan Zeehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/dpkjj/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184696442.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments…This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments…This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… plavo3 Fans 15 hours ago (12:23 PM)Typical, same thing inPA, Rs in suburbs enjoy urban area when tey want to, and deny them tax money for mass transit, etc all the whole allowing thousands of acres of land to be tax-exempt, hospitals, schools, etcplavo: Typical, same thing inPA, Rs in suburbs enjoy urban areahttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/plavo/will-new-yorks-suburbs-en_b_1861238_184450471.htmlHistory |Permalink |Share itThis comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. Loading comments… new comment(s) on this entry — Click to refreshLoading comments… 1 2 3 4 5 See All Highlights in 
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